In this episode of the All-In podcast, Mati Staniszewski from 11 Labs and Max Junestrand from Legum join the hosts to discuss how AI is transforming voice technology and legal services. The conversation covers AI voice agents in customer service, celebrity voice licensing for entertainment, voice restoration for medical patients, and the platform safeguards that protect voice identity while enabling monetization.
The episode also examines AI's disruption of the legal industry, particularly how automation threatens the traditional billable hour model and breaks down geographic barriers to legal access. Staniszewski shares insights into 11 Labs' rapid growth trajectory, strategies for competing with major AI companies, and approaches to maintaining company culture while scaling. The discussion addresses ethical considerations around voice rights, regulatory challenges in sensitive industries, and how AI is reshaping economics for voice actors and legal professionals alike.

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AI voice technology is revolutionizing customer service, entertainment, accessibility, and legal services through natural interactions, celebrity engagement, and powerful safeguards for voice identity.
Mati Staniszewski explains that advances in speech synthesis and recognition have created a "step change" in consumer experience over the past year. Customers can now interact with AI agents who access past information and deliver assistance with unprecedented accuracy. Jason Calacanis notes that unlike older systems like Dragon Dictate, new AI systems enable discreet, accurate interactions where users can interrupt agents without social friction—something uncomfortable with human operators. Staniszewski observes that users now often request AI agents specifically, resulting in more productive exchanges. He highlights that interfaces are shifting from reactive to proactive support, with voice technology working in the background to anticipate user needs. In sectors like financial services, customers frequently feel more comfortable sharing sensitive information with non-judgmental AI, reducing emotional barriers and promoting faster resolution.
AI voice technology is revolutionizing entertainment by enabling interactive experiences with licensed celebrity voices. Staniszewski explains how Masterclass collaborates with talent to create dynamic AI versions of celebrities like Gordon Ramsay, while gaming platforms and brands use AI-powered celebrity voices for richer engagement. A landmark project saw James Earl Jones's estate partner with Disney and 11 Labs to license the Darth Vader voice for Fortnite, enabling live, multilingual interactions globally. Meditation apps like Headspace and Calm use AI voices to deliver emotionally authentic, personalized lessons adapted to user preferences and languages.
AI voice technology's impact is profound for individuals who lose their natural voice due to medical conditions. Staniszewski recounts work with ALS and throat cancer patients, helping them preserve or regain their unique voice for daily communication. A notable milestone occurred when US Congresswoman Jennifer Wexman delivered a Congressional speech using her AI-reconstructed voice, setting a precedent for disabled individuals in professional settings.
Staniszewski details 11 Labs' protections: all generated content is traceable, voice and text are actively moderated to prevent scams, and voice detection tools help identify AI-generated content. The company has built a marketplace where authenticated voice creators can license their digital voice assets, returning over $22 million to the talent community. Legal and ethical protections treat voices as intellectual property, requiring explicit consent and compensation for commercial use while distinguishing parody from commercial exploitation.
Artificial intelligence is fundamentally challenging traditional legal models and opening new pathways for efficiency and broader access.
Law firms have long operated on a model that overcharges for junior associate hours to subsidize senior partners. AI now automates legal tasks previously reserved for associates, dramatically reducing reliance on junior labor. With legal services representing a trillion-dollar global market—of which only 4% is spent on software while 96% goes to manual services—the opportunity for AI-driven automation is unprecedented. By automating document review and other repetitive tasks, AI threatens the core structure of law firm profitability.
Despite advances, most established law firms and legacy providers struggle to pivot into AI-native businesses due to organizational inertia, entrenched practices, and difficulty recruiting top technical talent. Some progressive firms experiment with alternative pricing models—including fixed fees and success-based fees—to better align incentives with client outcomes. This disruption also changes legal career paths, as junior lawyers' roles shift toward managing and quality-controlling AI agents rather than performing manual document work.
AI technologies are dissolving geographic boundaries that once constrained legal access. Previously, companies needed to consult multiple lawyers across jurisdictions for issues varying by region. Now, AI legal tools deliver instant guidance across jurisdictions with about 80% accuracy—accuracy that continues to improve. Products like Legum centralize global case law and legislation into a unified data model, enabling companies to expand worldwide with unprecedented speed. Startups use AI tools for essential legal functions, sometimes bypassing traditional counsel due to cost and speed pressures. Legum has completed four AI-facilitated acquisitions in a single year, with the fastest closing in only 12 days.
11 Labs stands out for its extraordinary growth, achieving $600 million in annual revenue after roughly 40 to 50 months since launch. Beginning work in 2022, the company focused on building a breakthrough text-to-speech model and released it in early 2023. Within 20 months, they reached $100 million in annual recurring revenue, followed by rapid acceleration. The broader tech landscape's focus on crypto and the metaverse in 2022 gave 11 Labs a strategic advantage, allowing them to build market share and technical differentiation without immediate competitive pressure.
11 Labs has grown from 10 to 600 employees with zero attrition among founding research and engineering members. The company operates using small, tightly-knit teams of five to ten people, each responsible for specific verticals like telecom or healthcare. Instead of loosely structured roles, 11 Labs embeds engineers in every function, including talent, legal, and go-to-market teams. These embedded engineers automate processes and bring AI-driven solutions to every department. AI enables employees to develop cross-disciplinary skills and approach work strategically, with the ideal team member able to code, understand customer requirements, and appreciate good design.
To attract top-tier talent in machine learning and audio engineering, 11 Labs positioned itself as the world's leading research company in audio synthesis, speech recognition, voice orchestration, and agent-based interaction design. The leadership includes credible, research-driven co-founders who emphasize intellectual rigor and innovative problem-solving, drawing individuals who prioritize technical challenge over merely maximizing equity.
Staniszewski explains that 11 Labs maintains model agnosticism by offering customers choice among Anthropic, OpenAI, open source, and Google models. This strategy prevents vendor lock-in and enables customers to orchestrate agent behavior and integrate workflows flexibly. 11 Labs has managed to outcompete market leaders in voice models through innovative research and architecture rather than massive compute resources. The company focuses on creating vertically integrated stacks tailored to specific industries, avoiding the roadmap fragmentation that can plague horizontal approaches.
Staniszewski acknowledges that most voice model data comes from widely accessible internet sources, but the key advantage lies in expert data labeling and curation. 11 Labs has assembled over 1,000 contractors dedicated to curating and labeling audio assets for model training. This meticulous dataset annotation, combined with proprietary research architecture, forms an unreplicable moat. Staniszewski and Calacanis discuss growing concerns around data leakage from proprietary systems. To mitigate these risks, companies should pursue open source or self-hosted alternatives alongside proprietary models, ensuring independence and protecting proprietary workflows.
Calacanis describes how unauthorized use of his podcast voice to create joke-telling videos can violate privacy and intellectual property rights. While parody and fair use are typically protected, commercial voice cloning blurs legal and ethical lines. The United States currently lacks comprehensive, uniform laws on voice rights, leaving a gray area between fair use and fraud. This gap compels companies to develop internal moderation systems to combat potential abuses in lieu of sufficient legal protection.
Max Junestrand explains that their company, Liguora, hosts sensitive data for weapons manufacturers and government agencies, necessitating the highest standards of confidentiality and compliance. Rather than focusing on fragmented deployments, they prioritize building robust compliance infrastructure as a competitive advantage. Selling AI into regulated sectors requires discipline in product development and a principled approach to expansion.
AI platforms like Eleven Labs are fundamentally transforming voice acting economics. Where voiceover talents were previously paid hourly for individual sessions, they can now generate an AI voice profile in a single session and license it for repeated future use, earning ongoing royalties. Calacanis observes that actors can now participate in licensing marketplaces, with Staniszewski confirming that the company has paid $22 million to voice creators. The marketplace offers flexibility for creators, who can choose automated pricing or retain control over their own price point, fundamentally changing the traditional wage-based session model.
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AI voice technology is transforming industries through natural customer service interactions, celebrity-driven entertainment, profound accessibility solutions, and robust safeguards to protect voice identity and monetize talent.
Advances in speech synthesis and recognition have brought a "step change" in consumer experience over the last year, according to Mati Staniszewski. Customers can now open a website and interact with AI agents who access information from past interactions, delivering assistance with unprecedented accuracy and efficiency.
Jason Calacanis observes that older speech-to-text systems, like Dragon Dictate, suffered from poor fidelity, making users feel awkward and dissatisfied. New AI systems, however, enable discreet, accurate voice interactions where users can interrupt or cut the agent off without guilt or social friction—something typically uncomfortable with human agents. Staniszewski notes that users now often request AI agents specifically and move through interactions quickly, resulting in more productive exchanges and a shift in customer preferences away from human operators.
Staniszewski highlights that interfaces are changing, with voice technology working in the background to proactively surface information and anticipate user needs. The transition from reactive to proactive support enables users to receive help even before requesting it, fundamentally altering interaction models across industries.
AI voice agents also impact emotional dynamics in customer interactions. In sectors like financial services (e.g., Revolut, Klarna, PAG Bank), customers frequently feel more comfortable and less ashamed sharing sensitive information with a non-judgmental AI, compared to a human agent. This ease reduces emotional barriers, promoting honesty and faster resolution of complex or sensitive issues.
AI voice technology is revolutionizing entertainment and personalization by enabling interactive experiences using licensed celebrity voices, expanding celebrity brands into new digital domains.
Staniszewski explains how Masterclass collaborates directly with talent, bringing static educational content to life with dynamic, interactive AI versions of celebrities like Gordon Ramsay, whose signature style and emotional delivery are recreated. Gaming platforms and brands, such as Mastercard, use AI-powered celebrity voices to build richer user engagement.
A landmark project saw James Earl Jones’s estate partner with Disney and 11 Labs to license the iconic Darth Vader voice for Fortnite, enabling live, global interactions with players. This shift from fixed recordings to interactive, multilingual celebrity voices—conveying authentic emotion—signals a new standard for entertainment and fan engagement.
Staniszewski describes efforts with apps like Headspace and Calm, which use AI voices to localize and personalize meditation content, offering users emotionally resonant lessons adapted to their preferences and languages. This ensures both performance quality and emotional authenticity, regardless of scale or linguistic barriers.
AI voice technology’s social impact is profound for individuals who lose their natural voice due to medical conditions.
Staniszewski recounts work with ALS and throat cancer patients, helping them preserve or regain their unique voice for daily communication. The ability to maintain one’s vocal identity strengthens personal dignity and social inclusion.
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Artificial intelligence is rapidly transforming the business and structure of legal services, fundamentally challenging traditional models and opening new pathways for efficiency, value, and broader access. The following sections detail the landscape of disruption and opportunities emerging across the sector.
Law firms have long operated on a business model that overcharges for junior associate hours, which subsidize the high compensation of senior partners. For instance, rates for senior partners can run up to $4,000 an hour at top firms like Kirkland, while associates may be billed at $800 to $1,800 per hour. Clients have tolerated this because, in high-stakes situations, even a short period of an expert partner’s attention can be worth millions in avoided risk—but the model's viability depends on high-volume manual labor performed by less-experienced lawyers.
AI is now breaking this model by automating legal tasks previously reserved for associates. Software platforms efficiently handle contract review and embed workflows, dramatically reducing reliance on junior labor. With legal services representing a trillion-dollar global market—of which only about $40 billion (4%) is currently spent on software, while 96% goes to manual services—the scale of the opportunity for AI-driven automation is unprecedented.
By automating repetitive and time-consuming tasks such as legal document review, AI frees up attorneys from manual work and threatens the core structure of law firm profitability based on billable hours.
Despite these advances, most established law firms and legacy providers like LexisNexis and Westlaw struggle to pivot into AI-native businesses. They are hampered by organizational inertia, entrenched legacy practices, and significant difficulty recruiting top technical and AI talent. These limitations prevent them from matching the pace, innovation, or productivity of AI-native legal startups.
Some progressive law firms experiment with alternative pricing models—including fixed fees for transactions or fundraises and partial success-based fees in litigation—to better align their incentives with client outcomes and leverage AI for more efficient workflow. Unlike the traditional incentive structure, which benefits from protracted, bill-heavy engagements, founders and clients demand swift deal closings, and AI tools enable lawyers to meet this demand, closing deals faster and reducing delays caused by misaligned incentives.
This disruption also changes legal career paths. Junior lawyers, whose entry into the profession revolved around large volumes of manual document work, now find their roles shifting towards managing and quality-controlling AI agents. The mass automation of tasks traditionally performed by entry-level associates means fewer lawyer hours are needed for each transaction, fundamentally altering the talent pipeline and expected skill sets.
AI technologies are also dissolving the geographic boundaries that once constrained access to legal services. Previously, companies operating across jurisdictions needed to consult multiple lawyers and coordinate expertise for issues like employment law or non-compete agreements, which vary significantly by region. Now, AI legal tools can deliver instant guidance across jurisdictions with about 80% accuracy—accuracy that continues to improve.
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11 Labs stands out for its extraordinary growth trajectory, fueled by launching a highly advanced AI product at the optimal time. Beginning its work in 2022, the initial year focused on building a breakthrough text-to-speech model that could authentically mimic human speech. The company released this technology at the start of 2023. Within just 20 months, 11 Labs achieved its first $100 million in annual recurring revenue (ARR). The next $200 million milestone followed within only 10 months, and the $300 million marker arrived about five months later. Industry reports now peg the company at an exceptional $600 million in revenue after roughly 40 to 50 months since launch.
The broader tech landscape in 2022, saturated by intense hype around crypto and the metaverse, gave 11 Labs a strategic advantage. While many were distracted by these trends, 11 Labs focused on deeply innovative audio AI products, operating without immediate competitive pressure. This allowed the company to build significant market share and technical differentiation before broader market attention converged on speech and interaction AI.
11 Labs has grown rapidly from an initial group of 10 to now employing 600 people. This expansion is managed by a relentless focus on company culture, cohesion, and tightly aligned teams. Remarkably, there has been zero attrition among the founding research and engineering members—they all remain with the company, ensuring continuity of vision and sustained quality even as the organization has scaled by a factor of 60.
The company operates using small, tightly-knit teams of five to ten people, each responsible for a specific vertical such as telecom, financial services, or healthcare. These focused groups allow deep alignment with customer needs, steering away from generic one-size-fits-all platform designs. Instead of loosely structured roles, 11 Labs embeds engineers in every function—including non-engineering teams like talent, legal, and go-to-market. These embedded engineers automate processes, bring AI-driven solutions into every department, and act as a check on security and reliability. This structure empowers teams to both iterate quickly and maintain high standards.
Artificial intelligence enables employees at 11 Labs to develop cross-disciplinary skills and approach their work strategically. The ideal team member can code, understand customer requirements, and appreciate good design. While it is rare to find a single person expert in all dimensions, 11 Labs optimizes for staff with deep expertise in one field and solid understanding of at least one other.
AI reduces bottlenecks between roles, making it possible for someone to design, execute, and improve processes without dependence on other teams. Internal use, or "dogfooding," of their own voice agent products further reinforces this cross-functional growth. For instance, 11 L ...
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Mati Staniszewski explains that by creating a platform which offers customers the choice among Anthropic, OpenAI, open source, and Google models, 11 Labs enables a model-agnostic approach. This strategy prevents vendor lock-in and empowers customers to orchestrate agent behavior, customize voice characteristics, and integrate workflows without relying on a single provider. It allows companies to build robust agent orchestration and unique voice elements for marketing and communication, remaining flexible as the landscape evolves.
Staniszewski highlights that 11 Labs has managed to outcompete market leaders in voice models, excelling in text-to-speech (TTS), speech-to-text (STT), voice turn-taking, and music generation. Their success is driven by innovative research and architecture, rather than massive compute resources. The focus on changing model operations—architectural improvements—has allowed 11 Labs' research team to outperform companies with greater computational budgets.
The differentiation continues at the application layer. 11 Labs concentrates on creating a vertically integrated stack tailored to specific industries, for example: financial services, healthcare, and telecommunications. Each sector requires unique workflow integrations, product understanding, and communication strategies. Investing in such verticalized solutions helps 11 Labs stand out from generalist competitors—and avoids the roadmap fragmentation that can plague horizontal approaches.
Staniszewski acknowledges that most voice model data comes from widely accessible internet sources. However, the key advantage is not exclusive data access but expert data labeling and curation. 11 Labs has assembled a team of over 1,000 contractors dedicated to curating and labeling audio assets for model training, ensuring high-quality datasets that improve performance. This meticulous dataset annotation, combined with proprietary research architecture, forms an unreplicable and sustainable moat—even against competitors with larger budgets. Company success thus hinges on research quality and optimized data handling over pure compute scale.
Jason Calacanis and Staniszewski discuss growing concerns around data leakage. Some large model providers may inadvertently (or purposely) distill and internalize customer data, risking the exposure of proprietary information through future outputs. This risk is especially acute for regulated industries or sensitive applications. Staniszewski notes that mechanisms to prevent this are few, and best practices can only slow—rather than eliminate—the problem.
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Artificial intelligence is rapidly transforming the landscape of voice technology, raising pressing ethical, legal, and economic questions. Jason Calacanis and guests discuss the complexities of voice identity, regulation, compliance, and the reshaping of the creator economy.
Unauthorized use of someone’s voice for commercial purposes, as Calacanis describes with the cloning of his podcast voice to create joke-telling bulldog videos, can violate privacy and intellectual property rights. While parody and some forms of fair use are typically protected, the commercial cloning of a recognizable voice for profit blurs legal and ethical lines. Calacanis’s experience with having his own podcast archive used on 11 Labs to generate hundreds of videos illustrates how easily voices can be appropriated, and spotlights the urgent need for a framework that distinguishes legitimate uses—such as parody or tribute—from potentially fraudulent or exploitative impersonation.
The United States currently lacks comprehensive, uniform laws on voice rights, leaving a significant gray area between fair use and impersonation fraud. Calacanis notes that while Europe tends to have clearer and more robust regulations regarding voice and likeness rights, the US has minimal, fragmented legislative coverage. This gap in regulation compels companies to develop internal moderation systems to combat potential abuses and fraudulent uses of their technology, in lieu of sufficient legal protection. Without universally applied rules, individuals frequently face confusion about their rights and recourse in cases of impersonation or misuse.
For AI companies serving highly regulated industries, trust and compliance are paramount. Max Junestrand explains that their company, Liguora, hosts sensitive data for weapons manufacturers, government contractors, and agencies handling national secrets. This necessitates the very highest standards of confidentiality and regulatory compliance. Rather than focusing on fragmented on-premises deployments that can slow progress and complicate their product roadmap, they prioritize building robust compliance infrastructure as a competitive advantage.
Junestrand notes that selling AI into regulated sectors like law or government is challenging not only because of the technology itself but because of the high bar for client trust. Developing and differentiating offerings for clients with rigorous compliance needs, as opposed to standard commercial buyers, requires discipline in product development and a principled approach to expansion.
Ethical and regulatory challenges in AI: Voice Cloning, Privacy, Ip Rights, Trust in Regulated Industries
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