In this episode of 2 Bears, 1 Cave, Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura discuss Bert's dramatic health transformation following his decision to quit alcohol. Bert shares how his gym obsession has replaced the rush he once sought from substances, detailing improvements in his blood pressure, biological age, and fitness goals. The conversation explores various substances and their effects, including ketamine, kratom, and cocaine, along with a discussion about what true sobriety means.
Beyond personal health, the hosts examine the evolution of stand-up comedy, noting how the industry has shifted from prioritizing artistic creativity to chasing views and profit. They discuss generational gaps in cultural references and how these affect comedians' ability to connect with audiences. The episode also touches on the nature of friendship and sacrifice, pop culture divides between generations, and the influence of celebrities on industries like cigars and music.

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Bert Kreischer discusses his dramatic health transformation after quitting alcohol and embracing fitness. His blood pressure, once a critical 170/110, now registers at healthy levels like 111/72. Using his Whoop device, Bert reports that his biological age has dropped significantly—he now considers himself six years younger after shedding months of biological age each week through consistent workouts. He's training for the Two Bears 5K with a goal of finishing under 27 minutes.
Bert describes how his gym obsession has replaced the rush he once sought from alcohol and drugs. Pushing himself to exhaustion delivers the same sense of accomplishment and intensity. His wife Leanne supports this transformation through gentle encouragement rather than confrontation, focusing on health goals instead of scolding about drinking—an approach Bert finds more meaningful and effective.
The Two Bears 5K, held at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena on May 9th, embodies this lifestyle shift. The event welcomes participants of all levels to run, walk, or jog in a judgment-free, festival-like environment with entertainment, recovery centers, cold plunges, and food vendors. Bert and Tom encourage everyone to join, emphasizing community and celebration around healthy living.
Tom Segura observes how different drugs shape user behavior distinctly. Cocaine users flee police, while PCP users display invincibility and move toward law enforcement. Bert describes [restricted term] as a powerful dissociative that distorts time and space perception, creating euphoria but potentially dangerous disconnection—especially in the "k-hole" state at higher doses.
[restricted term] occupies a unique legal space. According to Segura, its compounds bind to the same opioid receptors as [restricted term], acting as a sedative at higher doses but as a stimulant at lower doses, generating energy and mental clarity. Bert notes its popularity in sober communities and Orthodox Jewish communities, and uses it himself pre-workout for motivation.
Kreischer recounts meeting a woman during a photoshoot who experienced a severe dissociative episode during [restricted term] treatment for depression. She jumped from a ten-story building, suffering catastrophic injuries including broken arms, fractured shins, and a cracked skull. She miraculously survived and woke four weeks later with no memory of the incident.
The hosts debate whether sobriety means total abstinence or controlled consumption. Kreischer expresses his wish that people like Tiger Woods could manage rather than quit alcohol, while Segura notes that for those with substance issues, controlled consumption is often unrealistic. Segura explains his own drinking is largely social, while Kreischer finds his urge to drink declines the longer he abstains, and without alcohol he pushes harder in the gym.
Doug Stanhope and Brendan Walsh represent comedy that prioritizes originality and personal amusement over mass approval. Walsh epitomizes this through elaborate pranks with no expectation of profit—like putting up fake "Whole Foods Coming Soon" signs outside closing stores or paying Craigslist strangers to join Zoom calls and strip on camera during the pandemic, all solely for his own gratification.
Kreischer reflects on how modern comedy has shifted toward views and profit over art. Younger comedians now enter the field seeking clicks and fame instead of the intrinsic rewards of laughter. He acknowledges participating in these changes while recognizing earlier eras prioritized different artistic motivations.
The conversation turns to Sean Rouse, described by Kreischer as "fucking brilliant" for his telemarketing bits. Despite clear talent, Rouse faded from public view, highlighting stand-up's precarious nature where talent alone is insufficient for lasting recognition.
Kreischer notes younger audiences lack familiarity with past cultural touchstones. He discusses Catherine Blanford, a comic in her 30s, who had never heard of "The Honeymooners." Segura adds that younger generations raised on TikTok instead of shared TV viewing lack common references like "Abbott and Costello," making it harder for comedians to connect with mixed-age audiences.
Kreischer and Segura discuss friendship through their actions. Despite Bert's reluctance to travel, he prioritizes Tom's family needs, flying to Austin so Tom can take his child to jiu-jitsu. Bert emphasizes that true friendship means quietly making sacrifices, even when you'd rather not, demonstrating that friendship is based on care rather than expectation.
Bert candidly admits to isolating himself and neglecting relationships, noting he's lost touch with comedians like Doug Stanhope despite once communicating regularly. He expresses regret at letting connections fade, revealing the struggle between his introverted tendencies and his desire to maintain meaningful friendships.
During a recent photoshoot, Bert met a woman who shared her story of surviving the [restricted term]-related jump from a ten-story building. She described her recovery in graphic detail, including intimate aspects like when she could have sex again after the incident. Bert admits he enjoys when people overshare, finding deeply personal stories compelling, and asked his wife to invite the woman onto her podcast.
Kreischer and Segura discuss generational divides using Coachella as an example. Bert admits unfamiliarity with performers like Sabrina Carpenter and questions at what age people "age out" of youth-oriented events. They note younger audiences engage with acts older generations don't recognize, illustrating how pop culture is segmented by age.
Bert shares his excitement about cigars, crediting Michael Jordan and celebrities for reviving the cigar industry. He explains that Cigar Aficionado magazine's 1992 launch, featuring Jordan smoking pre-embargo Cuban cigars, made cigars culturally significant again after the industry had waned.
The conversation shifts to Ed Sheeran, with both expressing admiration for his musical talent. Tom describes witnessing Sheeran use a looper pedal to build full songs live on stage, calling the concert experience "incredible" and noting it transcends age or prior familiarity with his work. On workout music, Bert shares his preference for drum and bass at 140 beats per minute, crediting its fast tempo with improving his cardiovascular exercise.
1-Page Summary
Bert Kreischer's journey from heavy drinking to dedicated fitness marks a dramatic transformation in both his health and perspective on life. His story centers on physical improvement, the discovery of new sources of motivation, and the powerful sense of community found through the Two Bears 5K event.
Bert details his remarkable recovery after years of unhealthy habits. At one point, his blood pressure reached a critical 170/110 during a hospital stay for a blood clot, causing staff to hide the reading from him due to its severity. Today, Bert proudly tracks his blood pressure daily, sharing photos of readings like 111/72 with his cardiologist—a perfect, healthy score.
A dedicated exercise regimen has also played a major role in reversing Bert’s biological clock. Using his Whoop device, he enthusiastically reports that after his health scare, his biological age had spiked to 60, but regular workouts have allowed him to shed as much as six months of biological age each week, and he now considers himself effectively six years younger.
Bert's training includes a focus on leg workouts and cardio routines. He plans to complete the Bears 5K in under 27 minutes, aiming well below the 30-minute mark, by mixing strength work with running after leg days for better performance.
The transition from alcohol and drug use to dedicated gym time has given Bert a healthy outlet for his need for stimulation and intensity. He describes pushing himself to exhaustion in the gym as delivering the same rush and feeling of accomplishment that he once sought from substance use.
This new obsession with health metrics—constantly monitoring blood pressure, biological age, and workout results—serves as a driving force for his long-term sobriety. Instead of feeling deprived by abstinence, Bert focuses on building improvements and setting new fitness goals.
His wife, Leanne, plays an important and supportive role in this transformation. Rather than scolding Bert about his drinking or explicitly telling him to quit, she quietly encourages his health-focused goals, providing gentle accountability rooted in love and care instead of confrontation. Bert appreciates this approach, suggesting that her focus on his overall health has been more meaningful and effective.
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Bert's Fitness Transformation Through Sobriety and Lifestyle Changes
Tom Segura observes that different drugs shape user responses to authority and surroundings in distinct ways. Cocaine users tend to flee law enforcement, actively avoiding confrontation with police. In contrast, individuals under the influence of PCP display a heightened sense of invincibility, moving toward police and sometimes even attempting to disarm officers, reflecting a radically altered risk assessment and threat perception. [restricted term], described by Bert Kreischer as a powerful dissociative, induces an out-of-body, dreamlike experience. It distorts perception of time and space, causing euphoria and calmness, but can also generate dangerous, disconnected behaviors—especially at higher doses leading to the so-called "k-hole," an intense state of detachment from reality.
PCP’s aggression-inducing and disinhibiting properties make it especially hazardous, raising the question, as Segura notes, of why it was never considered as a tool for military use despite its potent effects. Its capacity to provoke risky, confrontational behavior presents obvious dangers that likely outweigh any perceived benefits for use by soldiers.
[restricted term] occupies a unique legal and pharmacological space. According to Segura and corroborated by research cited during their conversation, [restricted term]’s active compounds bind to the same opioid receptors as drugs like [restricted term] and [restricted term]. At higher doses, [restricted term] behaves more like an opioid, causing sedation and a mellowing of mood. At lower doses, however, [restricted term] tends to act as a stimulant—generating subtle euphoria, increased energy, and mental clarity rather than sedation.
[restricted term] has gained popularity not only among people seeking alternatives to alcohol in social contexts but also in specific communities. Bert Kreischer notes its widespread use among sober individuals and in Orthodox Jewish communities, who frequent [restricted term] or kava bars to enjoy its mild effects without violating their abstinence from alcohol or traditional narcotics.
Kreischer himself describes using [restricted term] pre-workout for an energy boost and enhanced motivation, feeling more ready and eager for physical activity. The effect is stimulating, helping users get "ready to fucking, let's get after it."
Kreischer recounts the harrowing story of a woman he met during a Flamingo Magazine photoshoot, who experienced a severe dissociative episode while undergoing [restricted term] treatment for depression. In her altered state, she navigated onto the roof of a ten-story building and jumped, suffering catastrophic injuries: both shins fractured and protruding, broken arms, a cracked skull, and a tracheotomy. Miraculously, she survived. She woke up four weeks later in the hospital with no memory of the incident and was told afterward about her attempt.
The narrative underscores the unpredictability and potential peril of substances like [restricted term] and THC ...
Drugs and Their Effects (Kratom, Ketamine, Pcp, Alcohol)
Doug Stanhope and Brendan Walsh represent a tradition in comedy that prioritizes originality and personal amusement rather than mass approval or commercial gain. Doug Stanhope’s subversive style is illustrated when he redirected a complaint at a comedy club back toward management, making them the butt of the joke and underscoring his irreverent approach.
Brendan Walsh epitomizes comedy done for the joy of the act rather than profit. Tom Segura recalls Walsh’s penchant for elaborate pranks with no expectation of financial reward or broad recognition. For example, Walsh put up a massive "Whole Foods Coming Soon" sign outside a closing Circuit City in Silver Lake, causing community buzz solely for his own gratification. He repeated this with "Silver Lake Gun Club Coming Soon," including a website with bald eagles and an American flag for authenticity, and a phone number connecting irate locals directly to him. None of these jokes were performed for an audience or filmed for viral fame—they were simply for his amusement.
During the pandemic, Walsh’s creativity continued as he orchestrated pranks via Zoom. He would find business-related Zoom calls and then pay Craigslist strangers to join and suddenly stand up naked on camera. The prank was crafted and executed only for the personal satisfaction of seeing the live confusion and amusement experienced by no one other than himself and perhaps a few friends.
Bert Kreischer reflects on how the comedic landscape has changed. Modern comedians often focus on audience-building and revenue rather than the craft itself. He admits that even when his original intent was laughter for its own sake, he would ultimately consider how to monetize funny observations or share them with a larger audience. He notes that younger comedians now enter the field seeking clicks, views, fame, and fortune instead of the intrinsic rewards of laughter or the exploration of new comedic ideas. Kreischer acknowledges that, while he participated in—and benefited from—these changes, the earlier eras of stand-up prioritized different artistic motivations.
The conversation recounts the career of Sean Rouse, described by Kreischer as "fucking brilliant," notably for his telemarketing bits targeting call centers in India. Rouse’s unique talent, however, did not guarantee him success or stability in the comedy world. Kreischer shares an anecdote where Rouse m ...
Comedy, Comedians, and the Evolution of Stand-Up Entertainment
Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura openly discuss the meaning of friendship through their actions and reflections during a visit. Despite Bert’s reluctance to travel, he prioritizes Tom’s family needs over his own desire to stay home. Tom acknowledges that Bert’s trip to Austin makes it possible to take his child, Ellis, to jiu-jitsu, showing appreciation for Bert’s effort. Bert emphasizes that true friendship means quietly making sacrifices for others, such as adjusting one’s own schedule—with Bert traveling while Tom gets family time—demonstrating that friendship is based on care rather than expectation. Bert humorously admits that waking up, he wished he wasn’t Tom’s friend just to avoid the flight, yet he is genuinely glad he made the effort, reinforcing that friendship sometimes involves doing things you’d rather not do, simply for someone else’s benefit.
Bert candidly admits to a pattern of isolating himself and neglecting friendships, recalling how he’s lost touch with fellow comedians like Doug Stanhope, despite once communicating regularly. He describes sending Doug a friendly message about a creative video, which rekindled memories of their frequent past contact. Bert reflects that this drift is largely his own fault, saying he often stays in his own world and doesn’t reach out, and he expresses regret at letting those connections fade, particularly with people he deeply respects in the industry. This reveals the ongoing struggle between his introverted tendencies and a real desire to maintain meaningful friendships within his community.
During a recent photo shoot, Bert met a woman who openly shared her story of surviving a major mental health crisis. She recounted being high on [restricted term] while experiencing such severe depression that she jumped from a ten-story building, suffering extensive injuries to her arms and legs. The woman described her physical recovery in graphic detail, at one point joking about not having any facial injuries ...
Friendship, Mentorship, and Personal Relationships
Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura discuss generational divides in entertainment preferences, using Coachella as a prime example. Bert admits he is unfamiliar with artists like Sabrina Carpenter, who performed at Coachella, and struggles to recognize her or any of her music. This unfamiliarity leads Bert to question at what age people "age out" of youth-oriented events like Coachella, suggesting that both the performers, aesthetic, and context no longer align with older demographics. Tom agrees, expressing that he doesn't feel Coachella is for him, highlighting how generational identity deeply shapes which cultural events feel accessible or relevant.
They further note that younger performers and audiences are increasingly engaged with acts and music older generations don't recognize, illustrating how pop culture is segmented by age. Bert contrasts his lack of knowledge about newer acts with a familiarity toward more established celebrities like Justin Bieber and Ed Sheeran, with whom he and his generation "grew up," underscoring the widening generational divide in pop culture awareness.
Bert shares his excitement about cigars, connecting it to Michael Jordan (MJ) and other celebrities' role in reviving the cigar industry. He explains that the cigar industry had waned in popularity until the launch of Cigar Aficionado magazine in 1992, which revitalized the market by featuring celebrities like Michael Jordan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Bruce Willis as regular cigar smokers.
Bert describes Michael Jordan’s influence in detail, recalling MJ’s interview with Cigar Aficionado where he is pictured smoking pre-embargo Cuban cigars, sometimes multiple at a time, paired with whiskey. This celebrity endorsement, portrayed in glossy magazines, was pivotal in making cigars culturally significant and desirable again. Bert and Tom both acknowledge that these endorsements and media representations were instrumental in revitalizing what was once a declining industry.
The conversation shifts to Ed Sheeran, with Bert and Tom both expressing familiarity and admiration for his musical talent, regardless of generational divides. Tom describes witnessing Sheeran in concert and being impressed by his use of a looper pedal to build full songs live on stage. Bert highl ...
Pop Culture, Entertainment Industry, and Celebrity References
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