{"id":5683,"date":"2019-12-25T13:39:47","date_gmt":"2019-12-25T17:39:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/?p=5683"},"modified":"2022-03-17T15:51:28","modified_gmt":"2022-03-17T19:51:28","slug":"hillbilly-fights","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/hillbilly-fights\/","title":{"rendered":"Hillbilly Fights: How to Defend Your Honor in Appalachia"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>How are hillbilly fights different than others? Do hillbillies fight by a different set of rules? How is fighting built into the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/hillbilly-culture\/\">hillbilly culture<\/a>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We&#8217;ll cover some of the hillbilly fights in the life of JD Vance, author of <em>Hillbilly Elegy<\/em>, and look at how the region&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/culture-of-honor-2\/\">culture of honor<\/a> encourages them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Rules of Hillbilly Fights: <strong>Toy Store Brawl<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In one illustrative example, Vance recounts a story that subsequently became family legend. His grandparents were in a department store in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/middletown-ohio-history\/\">Middletown<\/a> with their son when the boy started to play with one of the toys on display.&nbsp;<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When the clerk asked the boy to put the toy down and leave the store, Papaw and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/jd-vance-mamaw\/\">Mamaw<\/a> went berserk: smashing the merchandise and physically threatening the clerk, saying \u201cIf you say another word to my son, I will break your fucking neck.\u201d<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This display of <strong>violent anger and utter disregard for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/norms-of-society\/\">social norms<\/a> was shocking to the Ohioans who witnessed the scene, but it was a matter of basic pride for Vance\u2019s family. <\/strong>This was the norm for hillbilly fights. The parents were merely defending their son against a stranger who had slighted the family\u2019s honor by telling him where he could and couldn\u2019t go. This was just what <em>any <\/em>self-respecting hillbilly would do when an outsider messed with their child. This was obvious for those who followed the rules of hillbilly fights.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Shortform note:<\/strong> This scene of violence and anger in response to a relatively mild slight may have its roots in what historians and sociologists have called the \u201cSouthern culture of honor.\u201d It\u2019s characterized by an extreme unwillingness to tolerate personal insults of any kind and a high propensity, particularly on the part of males, to defend one\u2019s reputation with violence.&nbsp;<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Honor cultures are common in places where the rule of law and the control of centralized authorities have been historically weak: like the remote parts of the British Isles from which the hillbillies\u2019 Scots-Irish ancestors came. These values were easily transplanted to the remote, rugged world of Appalachia. In turn, the hillbillies brought these values with them when they migrated to other regions of the United States. Cultures of honor are the foundation of hillbilly fights.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Hillbilly Justice<\/strong> Using Hillbilly Fights<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This is illustrated quite vividly by <strong>JD\u2019s early education in the concept of \u201chillbilly justice.\u201d<\/strong> During visits with his grandparents back to Jackson, Kentucky (where they still maintained close ties of kin and community), JD would be regaled with stories of the legendary and lawless exploits of his extended family and the world they came from.&nbsp;<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>One uncle had assaulted a truck driver with an electric saw because the driver had called him a \u201cson of a bitch.\u201d The man nearly bled to death.<\/li><li>A man in Jackson who had been accused of sexually assaulting a young girl was once found face-down in a lake, shot to death with sixteen bullets in his back.&nbsp;<\/li><li>Even Mamaw herself had, at the age of 12, shot an attempted cattle rustler in the leg.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>These <strong>tales of <\/strong>hillbilly fights and<strong> violent vigilante justice were presented to JD as <em>positive <\/em>examples of his community\u2019s values. <\/strong>Mamaw and the family were proud of these stories and believed they reflected the very best of their culture. As an adult, JD now sees how truly impressionable he was: his young mind internalized these values and <strong>he came to see violence and <\/strong>hillbilly fights<strong> as a legitimate and even honorable means of resolving disputes. <\/strong>This message would be reinforced by the people around him throughout his childhood and adolescence.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Learning <\/strong>Hillbilly Fighting<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>This <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/social-context\/\">social context<\/a> encouraged\u2014in fact, <em>demanded<\/em>\u2014that a young man like JD enforce and uphold hillbilly justice himself and engage in hillbilly fighting. <strong>Loyalty to family, upholding one\u2019s honor, and demonstrating toughness were the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/clarifying-your-values\/\">core values<\/a> of this \u201cjustice\u201d system.<\/strong><br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Accordingly, casual insults to one\u2019s family (especially its female members) demanded a violent response: when a schoolyard bully directed some slander at JD\u2019s grandmother, JD earned a bloody nose defending his family\u2019s honor on the schoolyard.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The social expectation was that young men should resort to violence to avenge <em>any <\/em>insult towards the family, whether the insult was intended or not. When <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/jd-vance-sister\/\">his older sister Lindsay<\/a> was dumped by her boyfriend, custom demanded that JD brawl with her ex to maintain the family\u2019s dignity. Even though he proceeded to lose the hillbilly fight (badly), he was <em>rewarded <\/em>for his display of violence by Mamaw, who told him that he had done the correct and honorable thing.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Later, Mamaw would teach JD fighting tactics designed to inflict maximum damage on his opponents during a hillbilly fight. While she encouraged him to only fight to defend himself, she generally approved of the use of violence to solve disputes, telling JD, <strong>\u201cSometimes, honey, you have to fight, even when you\u2019re not defending yourself<\/strong>. Sometimes it\u2019s just the right thing to do.\u201d<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A \u201cculture of honor\u201d demands the resolution of disputes through violence or, at best, harsh verbal abuse<\/strong>. These modes of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shortform.com\/blog\/nvc-conflict-resolution\/\">conflict resolution<\/a> may work in the hillbilly culture, but they leave these people utterly unprepared for a life outside it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How are hillbilly fights different than others? Do hillbillies fight by a different set of rules? How is fighting built into the hillbilly culture? 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